The ability to rename pages

[spectacularstuff]

This would take a little bit I am sure but what about the ability to rename the pages to a more friendly format..

Currently i have a bunch of dynamically generated pages that look something to the affect of http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=8&cat=Pet+Lover+Baskets

(The following three URL's have been set not to work. You will get an error if you go to them due to no session variables being set)
http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?page=2

http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?page=3

Now, I am going to be applying an ISAPI filter to change those addresses to read something to the affect of:

http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/giftbaskets/animals/id79.htm
This is not a real webpage.

Please keep in mind that because the pages are dynamically driven the title is always the same.

However if I had the otpion to come into the administrative interface of statcounter and have the ability to rename that page to "Pet Gift Basket - The Cats Meow" That would be so much simpler then trying to figure out what product the user looked at. Now, obviously the URL link would stay the same so you can still click on it and it will take you to that URL even though the name has changed.

I would love to see that. Anyone else?

Just a thought.

Wayne

[webado]

Why not use <title> blah, blah </title> on each page and request Title instead of URL from StatCounter?

[spectacularstuff]

As I stated prior, the pages are dynamically driven. This means that they all use a common header file which contains the title tag within it. Resulting in you can have 150,000 pages, however all of the titles within the title tag will be the same.

You can see an example of this here:
http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=8&cat=Animals

http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=28&cat=Corporate+Baskets

http://www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=2&cat=Romantic

They all have the same title however being vey different pages.

As well as if the webmaster happens to work with SEO (Search Engine Optimization) then the title tag is one of the most important tags for optimizing. This will not always and cannot always be the product that is listed on that page but rather relevant keywords to that product.

Wayne

[webado]

I don't know how asp works, but I feel you can probably generate the title dynamically as you generate the page content - you may have to restructure your stuff somewhat though.

You could have a fixed portion of your title that applies to all the pages that are generated and you can geenrate another portion on the fly, so as to make it distinct.

As for SEO, I thought the keywords and actual text content are what search engines look for.

[spectacularstuff]

The cart is VPASP. It does not allow you to dynamically structure your title tag. To do so would cause way too much customizing of the ASP code involved just to not have it supported in future versions of the shopping cart.

SEO
Depends on what search engine you are optimizing for

Take this search for example
wedding party gifts in Google
http://www.google.com/search?q=wedding+party+gifts

Look at the number one website. You will not find anywhere in their description or their title the exact phrase "wedding party gifts" yet they are number one... why? Because they have more relevant content towards that phrase wedding party gifts.

They did not keyword stuff their website. They optimized it and wrote phenomenal content around that keyword phrase without actually using it

As well as wedding party gifts is not a very specific search. If you look at their page you will see that they have Long Stemmed Lollies, Personalized Wedding Coffee, etc etc etc.

This is just an example of how they cannot fit all of those items into the Title Tag however need that title tag for specific optimization that doesn't really have anything directly to do with the product but with an average of 283 searches per day for that keyword phrase, I would say that is a good keyword phrase to get in with for those products.

Wayne

[webado]

Sorry, I'm fresh out of any other ideas :)

[spectacularstuff]

No problem, I appreciate you writing back. I was just putting this in for a future request and showing that there is an actual need for it. In certain environements it would be a lot faster and more user friendly if we had the ability to change the URL being reported to whatever we wanted it to say. This would require the use of a large database and a few arrays in the programming code. This should not be that hard of a task depending on how the program is set up currently.

Wayne
www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net

[webado]

But then you could set up that database yourself and do your own tracking, couldn't you? :D

[spectacularstuff]

LOL.... There are two types of people in the world... the ones with money and the ones with knowledge...

Guess which one I am? LOL :lol:

Wayne
www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net

[webado]

Man, if you got the money you can just buy the knowledge! :mrgreen:

Or did you mean you had the knowledge but no the money?

If you got the knowledge, just set up the DB and be done! it's not going to cost anything extra unless your web hsoting doesn't provide mysql.

[spectacularstuff]

LOL..... wrong guess..... lol 50/50 90

50/50 of getting the answer right or wrong and a 90% chance that no matter what you pick, it will be wrong.

[webado]

Read it again LOL - I finally covered all the bases :D

[spectacularstuff]

yes but you have to have access to the cisco and that I don't have nor do I have $3000-$7000 just lying around to spend on one...

Having a server is one thing... but having access to the OC8's is another or even faster. You also have to control you router access and other sorts. You also have to set up everything this website already has in place. All that takes money and time... Neither of which I have a lot of.

What you are suggesting would require me to run everything and have full control of everything. To pull all of the information off that I would need in order to run a place like this I would need all of the above and not just a database.

Haven't covered all of the bases... I made it to second.

Wayne
www.worldfamousgiftbaskets.net

[webado]

What's with the Cisco and the other stuff? to write a database?

[spectacularstuff]

read it again, I explained it further

[webado]

Oh, I see, in conjunction with the ip tracking vs page view tracking.

As I have no idea what those gizmos you mentioned actually do, I'll just leave you to sweat it out :D

Are you sure your webhosting doesn't have those toys you need so you can write your own database?


(see how she has no clue whatsoever :D )

[spectacularstuff]

(She sure sounds like she knows what she is talking about)

[spectacularstuff]

I ended up rewriting all of the pages in HTML and then writing a javascript that would integrate in with the shopping cart in order to get the pages where I needed them. You can go to the website now. I rewrote some odd 200+ pages in order to accomplish this... lol

It was a lot of work but well worth it. Since rewriting the pages we are now found number 1 in Google, Froogle, Yahoo, MSN and a lot of the smaller SE's for a number of highly competitve searches.

Now, the pages are all fully configurable and I can change the titles to whatever I want.

To answer your question however; with the VPASP shopping cart I could have wrote a script that would have output a different title per page however I would have had to implement the same script and put it into the next version of the shopping cart and then again and then again as the versions got better as we upgraded the shopping cart. I did not want to have to do this so I took the long way about it... now, no matter what version of the shopping cart they are on, my code will always work.

Hope it helps... Thank you for your reply.

[webado]

Congratulations, you have done what should have been done a long time ago but you didn't really think about it until I brought it up. Waddya wanna cookie or something now?
YOU BROUGHT IT UP? :lol:

[spectacularstuff]

Congratulations, you have done what should have been done a long time ago but you didn't really think about it until I brought it up. Waddya wanna cookie or something now?

Boy, you really do know how to prove how illiterate you really are... did you even look at the posts?
Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:40 am

I don't even know why you bother making yourself look like such a fool.

You must have liked it when all of the other kids in school were making fun of you because everyone here does too and you keep coming back for more.....

You really should do yourself and the rest of the world a favor; put yourself out of your misery.

Here, let me help you count. Now, take off your shoes and socks so you can count past 10.

Droopy Nuts
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 9

hmmmmmmmmm
Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:40 am


Now, let's see.... Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:40 am
hmmmmmm

I know that you are not that bright but Aug 18th, 2004 comes quite a few months past May 16th 2004.

I wrote this especially slow because I know that you cannot read very fast. Oh, did I use to big of a word. especially..... www.dictionary.com look it up.

You know what makes me feel REAL GOOD inside. It is quite apparent that I got to you; pretty bad too..... I had forgotten all about you yet, you went out of your way to pull up and read one of my oldest posts and reply a smart ass remark to it.... that tells me that you are still fuming over me telling you off. That makes me feel real warm inside. I thank you for that. In fact, that puts a HUGE smile on my face. :D

[webado]

There are people who are so convinced they can do no wrong that, when they are shown their mistake, they become offensive. I call this the Chihuaha effect.

Moreover they don't seem to learn form their mistakes either. And they never, ever admit to having made the mistake. It must be very stressful being them.

And how about you? Shouldn't you shut up expecially since you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING USEFUL to contribute anywhere?

[spectacularstuff]

Okay, not that I am defending droopy nuts however; he does have me laughing.... that last post was pretty funny.

Should I be honored that your fixation on "sparring" with me leads you to take time out of what seems to be an "oh so busy schedule", not perusing the forums and all; even though you did have enough time to yourself to come back and post more than once even though I did not yet have a chance to read it once? Or should it be taken that the disease you have is a psychotic fixation on men?

I do like the quick subject change when you realized what an idiot you were trying to take credit for something that happened months ago.

It was also a nice try to change what the subject was really about. You're still behind the times however.

All you have yet again shown, is that you really have no clue what designing is all about. You have no clue on colors, you have no clue on programming, you have no.... well, you have no clue....

It is okay though, don't panic! There is a cure for your ignorance. It is called studying. Try it sometime. Pick up a book or download a PDF file.

I must say up front that I do not share this same interest of the fixation that you seem to have with men. Do you do this often? If so, it must be lonely being you.

Anyway, I have got to run. I am interested in some of the websites that you have designed out there oh Mr. Web Design? (At least you know who your Master is! :lol: ) They do call you Mr. Web Design don't they? Oh that's right, they just don't call you.

Can you post some links? Or do you really not have any because you are really 14 or 15 and in school learning or attempting to learn anyway?

Serious, I would love to see what you consider REAL web design. Things that you have done.

Of course, if you are not interested in sharing your, self proclaimed, great knowledge" we understand and our hearts will not be broke.

Let's recap on something here:


Waddya wanna cookie or something now?


Hmmmmmm to take time out what what you claim to be a busy schedule to write that.... This sounds pretty childish. Could this be the pot calling the kettle black? Hmmmmmmmm

[spectacularstuff]

Well, finally! I read a little bit of halfwit intelligence coming out of your mouth. Quick! Mark the Books! Open the champagne. Droopy Nuts said something, well halfway intelligent anyway but for him that is really good. Everyone clap your hands for Droopy Nuts; let him know how much you appreciate his efforts. How long did it take you to have someone look that up for you?


You were inferring that I had some dates mixed up with your posts. Well, let's take a looksie at the discussion. The post I was responding to was dated Friday, August 27... which was in response to a post nearly two months ago?! Anyway, your response admitted to finally rewriting your "200+ pages" with some leet scripting trickery so you don't have to alter your titles each time you upgrade your third party shopping cart software which you "programmed" (hah hah).


Just again, proving that you really do not research much nor understand much. The original posting was from months ago; had you bothered to read you would have seen this. You are that type of person that thinks they can learn no more. I really do pity you. Someone has to. Hopefully your mother gave you away at birth and saved herself the frustration of raising you.

The shopping cart, I didn't program. Nice try though. Any insults are the shopping cart, well, I am probably inclined to agree with you. I was not the one to pick it out and I was not ever very happy with it.



Anyway, yeah. It's a weekend. I try to rest and find something entertaining to do, so yes. I decided to bash with you, Wayner. And what a fun bash it's proving to be... (yawn). I wonder if I can change my nick to saggynuts, cause it's kinda growing on me.


You defintely should seek some professional help with this fixation you have on men. Is it men in general that you like or am I special? You don't have this with little boys too, do you. You need not to be near anybody of that kind. I feel bad for any kids you decide to have. You should probably check yourself into a mental hospital so no harm comes to those kids.



By the way, what's all this crap in this discussion about needing OC8's and a Cisco Router for? Pffffttt, to create a tracker? You're kidding, right? Uh huh, okay. Yeah, well, that explains a lot you know.


Once again, proving that you do not research everything fully.
People like you are a lost cause. Go back and read. I was talking about hosting everything and having full control.. Not having to rely on anybody for any type of service. Such as hosting the server, having the cisco's and other sorts, I could go on and on and on but I wouldn't want to confuse you. I know this is a lot for you to take in.


Like why you are probably losing money hand over fist on your purple shopping cart site because you decided to BUILD YOUR OWN DATA CENTER just to host it since using an existing one wouldn't be sufficient.


LOL Keep thinking that and someday you just might believe it.


Do you really think that building a simple tracker like statcounter would require so much bandwidth?!


Not if you are tracking it for yourself, but if you are going to proivde a tracking service for everyone else, absolutely! Are you still back in the says where people beleived they would never use up a 10MB hard drive?


That's awsome. Yeah, retrieve my MAC address from behind MY router, which is NATing for about 10,000 different people. It will be interesting when you find out that you are getting the MAC address of the router I'm going through instead of my machine's MAC. Dude, read up on Network Address Translation. Webmaster's gonna be pissed when he finds out all the time he's wasted in your "idea". Do you really think you'd be the first person to think of this?


Now, everyone pay attention to this This is somewhat of an intelligent statement that came out of Droopy Nuts' mouth. How long did it take you to find someone to look this up for you? Of course, this couldn't have been something that you read from the post which is says there plain as day and once again, trying to pass it on as your own thoughts. Do you even have any original thoughts?


By the way, I don't believe you are correct about MAC addresses being sent with every packet.


Read up on your OSI and TCP/IP models. Then you will find out that it is correct. All of the other bullshit you put in there sounds like a really nice opinion but it is just that; an opinion from someone that feels they need to learn no more than what they know; a stagnant individual. Someone that doesn't bother looking things up to back up what they have to say.
The problem was not that the MAC address is not sent. your computer will send the MAC address to your router and you are absolutely correct; your router will in turn replace that MAC address but that DOESN'T MATTER. You will still get a unique MAC. It doesn't have to be the MAC address of your computer. The problem was originally thought about for the AOL Proxy Farm. You can take the MAC address of the computer or the router. You see, unlike you, the ideas that I mention to people I back up with data and research. If you would once again, read for a change or at least have your foster mother read it, you will find out what the final outcome of that was.


Now, the next statement is the most intelligent and truthful thing we have heard come out of your mouth thus far:

Droopy Nuts: I'm a programmer, not a designer

WOW! He admits that he knows nothing of design. He does not have any work to back up his claims... oh gee, what a surprise! Go back home. Nobody here cares about your opinion.

A programmer? Is that what you call yourself? What do you program? What jobs have you programmed? Who the hell in their right mind would hire you? You don't research anything, you believe that you can learn no more than what you know already, and you have no desire and no ambition. Your only ambition is found in trying to bring other people down and make them feel inferior to you so that you can feel better about yourself. That's not living. You, again, should off yourself and do the world a favor. You wouldn't be missed, this I promise you. Your own mother wouldn't miss you. Your father used to beat you just to keep you away from him. Take the hint.


I'd be calling the kettle black if I said something along the lines of, "you are a big fat dumb idiotic dorkbrain monkeybutt slimeball".


Now, this one has me laughing. Do you think before you write? Do you even understand what "The pot calling the kettle black" means or is that too big of a phrase for you? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Every time you open your mouth you get more idiotic. You really believe yourself to be a "big fat dumb idiotic dorkbrain monkeybutt slimeball"? You must have really low self esteem. Again, I will pity you since nobody else will.


But asking you if you want a cookie...? You'd better straighten out your understanding of hypocrisy. Here, go to http://www.dictionary.com to look it up.


Oh gee, is that original? Get your own material! You really don't have a thought in that head of yours that is original do you? Well, anytime you would like to be bashed, let me know. I will be more than happy to oblige.