Does top IQ mean genuis?

[jukcoder]

Chris langan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ak5Lr3qkW0) -the cleverest man in the world (210!), but he prefers to work in a bar! Does IQ mean anything without achievements?

[-=Seth=-]

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[jukcoder]

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Cheers

[-=Seth=-]

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[trackerm]

Does IQ mean anything without achievements?

It just means he's smart enough to realise life isn't about "achievments".

[NeilB]

Does IQ mean anything without achievements?

IQ means nothing without drive, application, imagination and commitment.

"Creativity is more important than knowledge" Albert Einstein

"If you dream it, you can do it" Walt Disney.

You have to have goals to strive for, imagination to think them up and then - if you are the brightest bloke on the planet - you will be a genious.

Cheers
Neil

[raysor]

According to Wikipedia IQ includes tests that have a relevance to real world tasks and that IQ correlates to job performance.

[StevenofNine]

Chris langan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ak5Lr3qkW0) -the cleverest man in the world (210!), but he prefers to work in a bar! Does IQ mean anything without achievements?

If he's that smart, he must recognise something in working a bar that we don't.

The glamour of the puke-covered sink? The reek of the alcohol-drenched floorboards? The sophistication of the pissed customers?

Who cares? But, don't knock the guy's personal choices because you're jealous of a number he has attached to him.

If his ambition is to be a fantastic barman, who're we to qualify it as unworthy? :-D

[webado]

If his ambition is to be a fantastic barman, who're we to qualify it as unworthy? :-D

His ex might have a valid point though ;)

[China Tea]

May be he owns the bar he's working at and many other bars like that. :-D

[-=Seth=-]

Americas top job is held by somebody who, how shall i put this, if i was on 'who wants to be a millionaire' wouldnt be on my phone a friend list, no offence George, I think you could say the man has done very well with the talent he's got

[StevenofNine]

His ex might have a valid point though ;)

Never believe the ex.:-P

Never.:shock:

[StevenofNine]

Americas top job is held by somebody who, how shall i put this, if i was on 'who wants to be a millionaire' wouldnt be on my phone a friend list, no offence George, I think you could say the man has done very well with the talent he's got

You consider the Presidency the Top Job in America?

Bill Gates has the top US job: he's the richest...

That's how we gauge things over here. And Gates dropped out of college... how ambitious was that?

[leftybogs]

i dont think so... its still about your choice...
i believe that.. he's not stuck in his life... he choose to be in that kind life...
maybe some don't understand, but he does...

[-=Seth=-]

Bill Gates, i would argue, is the most powerful man in the world, imagine if every one of his products crashed and never worked again, however would you define it as a job, he owns the company

[-=Seth=-]

he choose to be in that kind life...
maybe he is just scared to fail, he must be under serious pressure, everybody thinking he's gonna invent cure to cancer, perhaps he thinks if he doesnt try he wont fail

somebody shut me up i'm way too cynical

[JustPo]

Of course top IQ means genius, regardless of anyone's definition of "accomplishments". I watched all 3 parts of the interview. He doesn't say that he loves being a bouncer in a bar. He doesn't love it. That isn't his idea of an accomplishment or his ideal of happiness, but if it were, good for him. I admire his intellect, and I am amazed by it, but I feel sorry for him. How lonely it must be, having nobody at his level of intellect and genius with whom he can relate and talk and share ideas.

As an aside, he mentions the bullying he was subjected to by other kids who wanted to beat up the "smart kid", and put him in his place. Unfortunately, there are also teachers (educators on this forum excepted, of course! :) ) who are apparently jealous of and/or intimidated by smart kids, who don't encourage their brightest students to stretch a little farther and higher than the rest of the class. Some of those teachers actually go out of their way to DIScourage the brightest from excelling. 'Tis a shame. :cry:
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[FrankV]

It means he is smart enough to know what he wants and smart enough to do it. ;)

[trackerm]

"Creativity is more important than knowledge" Albert Einstein


Albert whats-his-name invented the nuclear bomb. If it wasnt for his 'genius' and high IQ (and his mates) the world may be a much better place.

[jukcoder]

In the beginning of the interview he started by dismissing anything we can't see : God - 0 or false according to his binary logic started to exist at the end of the interview.

The main topic of the whole interview as many times hinted by our genuis is to run and finally save the world. With that erratic flow of arguments and the full-of-himself attitute - I don't think so.

What we need is imagination and vision not ncessarily high IQ

[webado]

Imagination and vision without high IQ brings about idiocy such as a certain unnamed Shrub who's been having visions and imagines the bible he carries around is telling him the TRUTH.

High IQ without imagination and vision is an untapped resource.

You need the full package to have somebody really outstanding.

[jukcoder]

Who is he ?:confused:

[JustPo]

He's a bouncer in a bar. I don't think anyone should feel threatened because he happens to be a genius who is a bouncer in a bar, unless you plan to go to the bar and cause problems!
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[Sharron]

..................grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference...................
--Reinhold Niebuhr

[jwalsh98]

Albert whats-his-name invented the nuclear bomb. If it wasnt for his 'genius' and high IQ (and his mates) the world may be a much better place.

That is something to think about.


By the way....
I know I don't post that often, but when did statcounter get a good spell checker. I really like it.:)

[BenMore]

...and all you folk in Australia might be speaking Japanese today...
think about THAT...

[FrankV]

..................grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference...................
--Reinhold Niebuhr



grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to hide the bodies well of those that really piss me off.
;)

[trackerm]

...and all you folk in Australia might be speaking Japanese today...
think about THAT...

So might you in China!

The Americans only decided to use the bomb when Japan fought so hard during the battle for Iwo Jima
Japan at the time was a lost cause and was going to lose, but the US Generals thought they would have to lose 1 million troops to get Japan to surrender... so they dropped it.

I would have done the same given the technology.

The point is that IQ has nothing to do with integrity; it has nothing to do with doing the right thing for, say, the environment. We have smart buggers working for the oil companies making squillions. But few smarties working on alternate fuels beacuse the money isnt there nor the kudos, nor Government support.
Don't get me wrong, I am a climate change cynic. If it does really exist badlyy we will find a solution... perhaps like the one of sending something into space to reflect the suns rays. Our IQ's have got so well controlled that if we need to they will be directed to any particular forthcoming catastrophe.

So endith my ramble :)

[NeilB]

So here is a thought for you.... Can you only apply the term genius to mental ability? Is Michael Schumacker a genius? Is Valetino Rossi a genious? Is Phil Taylor a genius? These are all people with extraordinary ability in their chosen field - but does that make them genius ? Cna the term or should the term be applied to these people? My personal thought s - yes.

Cheers
Neil

[raysor]

So here is a thought for you.... Can you only apply the term genius to mental ability? Is Michael Schumacker a genius? Is Valetino Rossi a genious? Is Phil Taylor a genius? These are all people with extraordinary ability in their chosen field - but does that make them genius ? Cna the term or should the term be applied to these people? My personal thought s - yes.

Cheers
Neil

I think the true meaning does apply to mental ability and over several areas. Possibly the ability to think about several different subjects at the same time. The ability to understand complicated ideas without having to work them out. Thus Schumacher mey have genius tendencies in that he can calculate speed and distances etc and be able to react almost instinctively using that data, but I don't think he can be classed as a genius in the true sense.
What is a celebrity??

[trackerm]

Is Michael Schumacker a genius?

No. Any short ape with quick reflexes could do it. Provided there is a faster car dangling a banana out the back.

A dog was the first animal in space. Therefore are they more intelligent than humans?

Seriously though, one thing I have learned as I grow older is that life is *not* what other people expect of me.

I am reading a book by Pamela Stephenson, Billy Connollys wife. She was cruising on her own yacht (with a crew) through some of the impoverished islands of the Pacific. On one island she met a young doctor and persuaded him to come on the cruise for 6 months so he could take care of her needs. Bugger the poor black kids.
OK so, is she just thick, stupid, arrogant and totally unseeing, unfeeling and uncaring? Or is it the doctor? Doctors have a blessing of high IQ paired with the ability to study. We spend millions (in any currency) training them. Then where do they want to work? Harley St, Macquarrie st, or Beverly Hills. Not Africa, the Outback or the Pacific.
Do those who are smarter than me have an obligation to humanity?

[JWJ]

http://projects.jwjonline.net/images/genius.jpg

[trackerm]

Genius: Word. Medium size.
1) Bloke who can avoid his shout without anyone else realising. (i.e. buying a round of drinks when its his turn. See also Brisguy (http://brisguy))
2) A girlfriend that cooks better than McDonalds.
3) A stranger who can open a car door when you've locked your keys inside.

[donecweb]

Maybe I am way off base or showing I am not a Genius but it seems to me that they quit testing for IQ because they found it was not an accurate measure of inteligence or even learning ability.

[BenMore]

So might you in China!

The Americans only decided to use the bomb when Japan fought so hard during the battle for Iwo Jima
Japan at the time was a lost cause and was going to lose, but the US Generals thought they would have to lose 1 million troops to get Japan to surrender... so they dropped it.

I would have done the same given the technology.

The point is that IQ has nothing to do with integrity; it has nothing to do with doing the right thing for, say, the environment. We have smart buggers working for the oil companies making squillions. But few smarties working on alternate fuels beacuse the money isnt there nor the kudos, nor Government support.
Don't get me wrong, I am a climate change cynic. If it does really exist badlyy we will find a solution... perhaps like the one of sending something into space to reflect the suns rays. Our IQ's have got so well controlled that if we need to they will be directed to any particular forthcoming catastrophe.

So endith my ramble :)

Not quite a ramble and thanks for the history lesson to which I might add that the Japanese army managed to systematically murder 300,000+ people in Nanjing here in China, a fact that is still very vivid on Chinese memories - the ending of the war ending that sad period in Chinese history.
And, being a scientist at heart, I tend to think that the combined intelligence of the scientific community will come up with a solution to global warming - it's only a matter if whether the politicians have enough grey matter or intelligence to listen to them and act upon it. Seeing the bunch we have in charge at the moment, of all political shades, I doubt if it's got bad enough yet for it to sink deep enough into their thick heads.

Oh, let's get back to CSS and things like that..... things that matter.

[jukcoder]

But could we accelerate kids' imagination and vision the same as we do with their cognitive ability? My view is that high IQ can be acquired if we live in the right env and get the best education .Imagination and vision are a gift from our DNA and they are more important than top IQ to make a genius.

[NeilB]

But could we accelerate kids' imagination and vision the same as we do with their cognitive ability? My view is that high IQ can be acquired if we live in the right env and get the best education .Imagination and vision are a gift from our DNA and they are more important than top IQ to make a genius.

Ah - but then how do you measure it with accuracy. It is a well known fact that the Eysenck tests that used to be used can be learned thus allowing someone to increase their measured IQ by practising the tests. Now we have test for verbal, cogintive, aural ability and spacial awareness to name but a few - but again does that just make someone good at tests?

SO do you measure process or product? I agree that it is the use of intellect that shows us who are the really bright people.

Cheers
Neil

[jukcoder]

I can't dimiss one the two theories of learning : Behviorism and Cognitivism, but I think, as human , we learn more by associating and drilling and if we don't have that extra imagination and vision, we are only as good as the IQ figure ( I think)

[NeilB]

I can't dimiss one the two theories of learning : Behviorism and Cognitivism, but I think, as human , we learn more by associating and drilling and if we don't have that extra imagination and vision, we are only as good as the IQ figure ( I think)

Couldn't agree more. I think I already said that IQ on its own without imagination and motivation is useless. It is when intellect meets creativity and imagination that you see genius emerge....

Cheers
Neil

In my job it is rare to bump into a truly outstandingly bright individual and as some have already said - some systems of education do supress truly outstanding ability however, I do believe we are getting better. I know that we have strategies in place to push the 'gifted and talented' however I still believe that the truly bright child needs very careful handling and must be allowed to challenge themselves and explore.