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webmaster
02-27-2007, 10:49 PM
"What's in a name?

A Rose by another name would smell as sweet..."

Excuse us? What's in a name? A whole lot! That's what!

PARTICULARLY when that name can:

- Help you identify click fraudsters
- Make it easier to see when "the competition" has visited your site
- Identify recurring visitors
- Let you see just how many times your mom has been admiring your site...

So no more spreadsheets, no more post-it notes – now you can name IP addresses which visit your site.

- Login to your account.
- Click the stats for your project.
- Click "Recent Visitor Activity"
- Click the new "Label IP Address"
- Give it a description and you're DONE!

This also works for "Recent Pageload Activity", "Visitor Paths" and the "Recent Visitor Map"!

Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this Rose ;-)

You wanted it. You got it.

StatCounter Team

faze3
02-27-2007, 11:41 PM
Excellent stuff - well done!!!
Alan.

webado
02-27-2007, 11:46 PM
LOL! So you've given in to all whining ;)

Thanks, at least we won't have to explain why and why not .... Now only explain how :lol:

williamsonrg
02-28-2007, 12:28 AM
I've been hoping for this feature since I joined, but I just figured it was probably technically cost- or time-prohibitive. Kudos!

varkgirl
02-28-2007, 01:54 AM
I am not crazy about this personally. Someone has me labeled with my first and last name in their PUBLIC stats. Can't this information be omitted from public stats?

Monty
02-28-2007, 02:10 AM
I am not crazy about this personally. Someone has me labeled with my first and last name in their PUBLIC stats. Can't this information be omitted from public stats?
yes, that's no good.

my stats are not public, and i'm labeling them for my eyes only.

nifty - love it - but wouldn't want to see me labeled on someone else's stats either.

wtravlr1
02-28-2007, 03:04 AM
looks like a great new feature, will have to try it.

webmaster
02-28-2007, 07:56 AM
I am not crazy about this personally. Someone has me labeled with my first and last name in their PUBLIC stats. Can't this information be omitted from public stats?
yes, that's no good.

my stats are not public, and i'm labeling them for my eyes only.

nifty - love it - but wouldn't want to see me labeled on someone else's stats either.

Thanks guys. This bug has been fixed now - check it out!

varkgirl
02-28-2007, 10:05 AM
Thank You!!!

Celeryhart
02-28-2007, 02:14 PM
I"m all for keeping things on the straight and narrow but I think I"m missing something here.
I went to my site and yes, I can see the Label IP address link..there is one beside every visitor.... so now what.. I have to give a name to every IP address that has gone to my site... ??? Holy Toledo.... !! Tell me it isn't so...!!

What do I call them, Curly, Moe, three stooges..Winkin, Blinkin and Nod....?? Sorry, I really don't understand. There is one person from Reston Virginia that practically lives on my site..and I"m sure curious to know who that is...LOL

Please explain.... I"ll gladly comply if I know what the heck to do.

Thanks
Celeryhart

webmaster
02-28-2007, 02:16 PM
You only need to tag visitors you are interested in.

This allows you to quickly and see just those visitors you are interested in and you don't have to remember their ip address any more. We do that for you!

webado
02-28-2007, 02:47 PM
I"m all for keeping things on the straight and narrow but I think I"m missing something here.
I went to my site and yes, I can see the Label IP address link..there is one beside every visitor.... so now what.. I have to give a name to every IP address that has gone to my site... ??? Holy Toledo.... !! Tell me it isn't so...!!

What do I call them, Curly, Moe, three stooges..Winkin, Blinkin and Nod....?? Sorry, I really don't understand. There is one person from Reston Virginia that practically lives on my site..and I"m sure curious to know who that is...LOL

Please explain.... I"ll gladly comply if I know what the heck to do.

Thanks
Celeryhart


Well, you should have seen the umpteen request for the facility to tag ip addresses, we have had a long, long thread on just this feature request alone. You don't need to use it if you don't want to. But maybe at times you will find the use for it. I will tag my office IP for instance, just so I keep it out of the way. Don't want to block it, mind you, I only block my home IP.

Your Reston, VA, visitor is most likely one or many AOL users. The IP address does not have geo location of its own, only the geo-location of the datacenter used.

Don't try tagging AOL users, their IP addresses change constantly usually.

quinquireme
02-28-2007, 03:19 PM
Ooh, it's functionality I didn't even know I wanted! But the minute I saw it I had to spend ages obsessively labelling everyone.

Of course it's not much good for dynamic IP addresses, and I'm hoping in time you'll let us drill down into the labels so we can see just how often our stalkers have been looking at our blogs...

But on the whole, great stuff, thank you!

Also: just seen the thing about the public stats - yes, I'm not very keen on that idea. At all.

webmaster
02-28-2007, 03:24 PM
Of course it's not much good for dynamic IP addresses, and I'm hoping in time you'll let us drill down into the labels so we can see just how often our stalkers have been looking at our blogs...

That feature is already there! Just click "display labelled visitors only" at the bottom of "recent visitor activity", "visitor paths", "recent pageload activity" or "recent visitor map".

quinquireme
02-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Ooh, brilliant, thanks!

*wastes entire rest of afternoon*

webado
02-28-2007, 03:40 PM
My turn to ask a question.

Is there a limit to how many IP labels we can have?

And I just saw that one can label a range of IP's by leaving out the rightmost octet. This will probably help with AOL visitors, if anybody wants to assume the hits are all from one visitor in particular.


Can't help but imagine a whole slew of possible detailed stats based on the labels now .... uhmm... ;)

webmaster
02-28-2007, 03:43 PM
There's no limit Christina! You can have as many labels as you like.

You can also specify ip address ranges such as 218.*.*.* or 218.*.23.*

It doesn't have to be just an ip address.

webado
02-28-2007, 03:50 PM
Excellent. :)

But you know what might happen next? If there is no limit for this, then uhmmm, maybe there's a possibility to count unique visitor hits historically, like by adding a little counter to each label to increment when said label visits ..... nah, forget I mentioned it, I'm a bit muddled right at the moment ;)


And.... we may need some detailed stats by label..... (*ducks*)

JWJ
02-28-2007, 04:05 PM
Great facility especially for someone like me who's hopeless at remembering numbers. :???:

One small disappointment .... unless I'm doing it wrong it seems we have to label our visitors separately in each of our projects. Any chance the label could be made to work across all of our projects? ;)

webado
02-28-2007, 04:07 PM
Hehe, if you want to tag Yahoo's Inktomi robot this is it: 74.6.*.*



I just did that and I have about 10 hits in my log from this one, with different IP's, but all in that range.

You can also add IP labels in advance. The tool is there in the project settings, click the wrench icon and add labels for whatever ip's and ip ranges you want :-)


I was reluctant at first ... but I think I'm getting hooked now.

Sheesh, I needed another hobby to consume me :lol:

Webmaster, we need ability to tage these across all projects in one shot ... what say? (*ducks for cover again*)

Oh, and since you are able to handle ip groups for labels, how about to handle them for blocking? (*ducks yet again *)

fgauley
02-28-2007, 04:13 PM
I'm not clear on how you would know who or what to label, unless you know them on a personal basis?

Jaime
02-28-2007, 04:18 PM
As with all features, there's always going to be some who will abuse it. Posting someone's full name and assigning it to an ip address is going to be seen as invasion of privacy to a lot of people. My stats are also private and I'll enjoy the labling feature, but I'd sure be upset to find out my name was linked to an IP in public stats and it showed me hitting someone's page a bizillion times.

Pippin2
02-28-2007, 04:20 PM
Well if you could let me in on my account Pippin2 ... and I could be able to use my account again.. as I have that on my main web site.. I might want to discuss with you :(

WoodYouLike
02-28-2007, 04:22 PM
Another great 'tool'. You lot keep making my 'webmarketing' task easier and easier

webado
02-28-2007, 04:32 PM
I'm not clear on how you would know who or what to label, unless you know them on a personal basis?

That or else you just decide ok, this looks like a serious visitor, maybe has been back a few times (if you see the ip in returnig visitors for instance) so you decide to tag it so you'll esee at a glance later if the same on comes by again.

You dont have to know the person's name and all that. Just nickname them, that's all, if you feel like it.

For instance I just found one who'd obviously saved one of my tutorial pages to his hard drive and is viewing it from there. I tagged him and if I see him come by again I might know better what he's up to.

BirdBarista
02-28-2007, 05:07 PM
So it appears once I label IPs, the only way to re-find them again is to drill down and/or click the magnifying glass through "Came From" etc. Wouldn't it make sense if I label an IP that the label rather than the IP address shows up when I drill down in "No referring link"? Otherwise, this doesn't seem to have much utility.

webmaster
02-28-2007, 05:30 PM
So it appears once I label IPs, the only way to re-find them again is to drill down and/or click the magnifying glass through "Came From" etc. Wouldn't it make sense if I label an IP that the label rather than the IP address shows up when I drill down in "No referring link"? Otherwise, this doesn't seem to have much utility.

If you go back to the "recent visitor activity" stats you can click "display labelled visitors only".

rando4
02-28-2007, 05:54 PM
Very nice feature! Thank you very much!

I have a question: the label applies to the IP or to the tracking cookie?

Thank again!

webmaster
02-28-2007, 05:59 PM
It's based on the IP address not a cookie.

webado
02-28-2007, 06:07 PM
It's based on the IP address not a cookie.

Thank god for that, we got enough cookies that keep crumbling ;)

Charmed
02-28-2007, 06:11 PM
Cool service :D
Thanks a lot :D

faze3
02-28-2007, 06:16 PM
So - now question time!
Does anybody know just how many ISP's issue changing IP numbers and the ones that do are they like AOL and usually just the last set that change. Or is it only the last set that change in the short term and are they totally different on another day?
That's all I need to know ;-)
Alan.

trackerm
02-28-2007, 06:43 PM
they totally different on another day?
That's all I need to know ;-)
Alan.

The ones you are trying to record will change daily. The people you dont need to record have the same IP number for eons.

Its all under Murphys Law For Statcounter ;)

faze3
02-28-2007, 06:45 PM
Just like my bl**dy toast that just landed butter side down !!!
Alan.

webado
02-28-2007, 06:45 PM
The ones you are trying to record will change daily. The people you dont need to record have the same IP number for eons.

Its all under Murphys Law For Statcounter ;)

As a corollary to this, the one you've been feverishly tracking for the longest time thinking this is your secret admirer or a nasty stalker, turns out to have been a robot ;)






... or even more embarrassingly, the one shadowing your every move...... it's YOU! :lol:

trackerm
02-28-2007, 06:52 PM
... or even more embarrassingly, the one shadowing your every move...... it's YOU! :lol:

If I ever used a blocking cookie my site would have no hits at all! :(

But I have solved the problem! I have labeled my IP as Britany Spears!

Hang on... I'll just rename that....

Anyway, it will be excellent for some sites. Mine included.

faze3
02-28-2007, 07:02 PM
Just depends how many changing IP's there are. I'll label all those that make an order but if half of those end up with changing IP's it's going to end up pretty useless (sorry Mr Webmaster!)
Alan.

Twister274
02-28-2007, 07:09 PM
"What's in a name?

A Rose by another name would smell as sweet..."

Excuse us? What's in a name? A whole lot! That's what!

PARTICULARLY when that name can:

- Help you identify click fraudsters
- Make it easier to see when "the competition" has visited your site
- Identify recurring visitors
- Let you see just how many times your mom has been admiring your site...

So no more spreadsheets, no more post-it notes – now you can name IP addresses which visit your site.

- Login to your account.
- Click the stats for your project.
- Click "Recent Visitor Activity"
- Click the new "Label IP Address"
- Give it a description and you're DONE!

This also works for "Recent Pageload Activity", "Visitor Paths" and the "Recent Visitor Map"!

Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this Rose ;-)

You wanted it. You got it.

StatCounter Team

Sounds good to me, it is one of those things why did I not think of that before. We just put there screen names as used on our web sites to the IP's ??? Not there real names.:confused:

thefrith
02-28-2007, 07:15 PM
BIG fan of this new innovation! thank-you!

rudizink
02-28-2007, 07:38 PM
Thanks!

I'll no longer have to rely on my notepad file!

Danm... Statcounter is The Best!

Tell your webmaster friends.

faze3
02-28-2007, 07:42 PM
And another point - how does this affect things:

It is important to note that unlike the US, under European Union law IP Addresses are considered to be personal data as defined by article 2(a) of Directive 95/46/EC " 'personal data' shall mean any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person ('data subject'); an identifiable person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identification number or to one or more factors specific to his physical, physiological, mental, economic, cultural or social identity; " Also see Directive 2006/24/EC.
In association with Time Codes, IP Addressing information will always identify unique ISP account holders unless there is translation of that information.
It is important that this significant difference in legal status be understood, because Websites that provide for third-party interception of IP addressing information and Traffic Data, without Website visitor consent, are committing a criminal offence in the UK by virtue of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, where through the requirements of European Council Decision 2005/222/JHA such Website owners face serious sanctions, including the winding up of their businesses, being debarred from running a business, and more than 2 years imprisonment.

Alan.

Charmed
02-28-2007, 07:58 PM
I would like to know where can I label Ips without them having to visit the site first ? :)

rhondafae
02-28-2007, 08:02 PM
I would like to know where can I label Ips without them having to visit the site first ? :)

:) Is that like "ESP"? Stay tuned!

(j/k)

graopt
02-28-2007, 08:04 PM
Excellent New Feature!

Charmed
02-28-2007, 08:07 PM
:) Is that like "ESP"? Stay tuned!

(j/k)
lol
sorry I didn't understand...

webado
02-28-2007, 08:08 PM
I would like to know where can I label Ips without them having to visit the site first ? :)

No ESP required ;) At least not for the mechanics of it. ;)

Click the wrench icon for your project and you have an option to label IPs:

IP Address Lables

Just add any you want right there.

ellee1160
02-28-2007, 08:14 PM
Wow! This is fantastic. I was trying to keep track by writing it all down. What a job that was. You guys are terrific and sooooo helpful. Thank you:smile:

ellee1160

rhondafae
02-28-2007, 08:24 PM
No ESP required ;) At least not for the mechanics of it. ;)

Click the wrench icon for your project and you have an option to label IPs:

IP Address Lables

Just add any you want right there.


Arrggh! Would you believe, I haven't had a chance to LOOK at it? :oops:

Good catch, Chris!

birdchildsandgoldsmith
02-28-2007, 09:16 PM
I agree! Reston Virginia and Sunnyvale California tap into my site almost daily - how am I to know who they are to give them a name !!

koonkle
02-28-2007, 09:20 PM
I get Reston Virginia everyday also. It must be an epidemic. :-)

shoegal245
02-28-2007, 11:15 PM
I really like this label feature, but I wish the labels would be included in the downloadable reports as well.

rotarysteve
02-28-2007, 11:27 PM
As I do have a few visitors whom's IP address is always the same, this is perfect...... I can usually recognize them anyways, but that's easy since I don't get tons of hits.

One question, if I label a IP address, will this label stay permament, even if that particular IP rolls off of the log?????????

Thanks!!!!!

Steve

Eviesmomma
03-01-2007, 06:04 AM
Wow! How cool! I never expected Statcounter to actually listen to the suggestion I gave and follow through with it. Thanks for being top-notch once again Statcounter! :) It looks great!

- Rose

alps07
03-01-2007, 06:07 AM
Wow ....... Another one great service added ...... i'd love to use it .....and thanks for the mail for letting me know about this new service

webmaster
03-01-2007, 09:29 AM
Wow! How cool! I never expected Statcounter to actually listen to the suggestion I gave and follow through with it. Thanks for being top-notch once again Statcounter! :) It looks great!

- Rose

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet! Thanks for the suggestion Rose!

Aodhan.

webmaster
03-01-2007, 10:15 AM
As I do have a few visitors whom's IP address is always the same, this is perfect...... I can usually recognize them anyways, but that's easy since I don't get tons of hits.

One question, if I label a IP address, will this label stay permament, even if that particular IP rolls off of the log?????????

Thanks!!!!!

Steve

It stays forever!

webmaster
03-01-2007, 10:57 AM
I really like this label feature, but I wish the labels would be included in the downloadable reports as well.

Done! Check it out.

jkarman
03-01-2007, 11:39 AM
[i][b]"What's in a name?


[...]
- Let you see just how many times your mom has been admiring your site...
[...]

StatCounter Team


I thought the IP only indicates the provider, not the
visiting individual, or ... ?

JWJ
03-01-2007, 11:42 AM
I thought the IP only indicates the provider, not the
visiting individual, or ... ?
It does .... but now we can attach a 'tag' of our choice to any address should we so wish. ;)

vitalizzie
03-01-2007, 12:46 PM
I followed the suggested links, i.e. recent activity, but nowhere can I find a link to "label an IP address." Where is it? I would like to use this feature.

Thanks!

webmaster
03-01-2007, 12:57 PM
That's strange! The only think I can think of is that you view your stats as public stats and don't login to view them. For privacy reasons we don't display the labels to public stats.

niemand
03-01-2007, 01:15 PM
Possible? I'm only after the core features and adding unnecessary things like this just messes up my logs. I appreciate it may be needed by some but I think there are others who are quite happy with existing features and layout and forcibly changing it is not really what they expect. Thanks:)

Somebody
03-01-2007, 01:51 PM
What a GREAT feature!!
My only question about it is the same as JWJ's..

One small disappointment .... unless I'm doing it wrong it seems we have to label our visitors separately in each of our projects. Any chance the label could be made to work across all of our projects? ;)

RachelleChase
03-01-2007, 02:55 PM
... I'm embarrassed to admit it but, I'm not quite sure how to use this. While I know some of my family members IP address by a process of elimination (i.e., they're the only one I know at company x), I have no clue as to who the bulk of my visitors are. How would I be able to find out who IP addresses belong to so that my labels have meaning?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Best,
Rachelle
http://www.rachellechase.com

webado
03-01-2007, 03:13 PM
... I'm embarrassed to admit it but, I'm not quite sure how to use this. While I know some of my family members IP address by a process of elimination (i.e., they're the only one I know at company x), I have no clue as to who the bulk of my visitors are. How would I be able to find out who IP addresses belong to so that my labels have meaning?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Best,
Rachelle
http://www.rachellechase.com

You don't need to use this feature for every ip that visits. Only for those you specifically intend to keep an eye on, if you feel it helps find them faster.

You also don't have to know specificlaly "who" it is. But sometimes there's one Ip that always seems to visit one particualr page, so maybe then you want to label that with something like "nosy" or "who's that" or whatever :)

webmaster
03-01-2007, 04:50 PM
Possible? I'm only after the core features and adding unnecessary things like this just messes up my logs. I appreciate it may be needed by some but I think there are others who are quite happy with existing features and layout and forcibly changing it is not really what they expect. Thanks:)
How does it mess up your logs?

niemand
03-01-2007, 05:20 PM
How does it mess up your logs?

Well, I keep the logs as plain text. They are huge but text is the most compact and compatible format anyway.

Here's how a part of my log looks like:

Returning Visits: 0
Location: Washington, United States
Hostname: microsoft.com (77.77.77.77) [Label IP Address]
Entry Page: www.site.com
Exit Page: www.site.com
Referring URL: No referring link

With this change, I have to manually go and drop [Label IP Address] from every vistitor's entry. Not a big deal, of course, but I'd prefer to keep it in sync with the old style. Thanks:)

p.s.Sorry, HTML doesn't allow preserving spaces so my sample looks ugly but with all spaces in place it's quite readable.

webmaster
03-01-2007, 05:23 PM
Have you thought about using the Download Logs feature available?

niemand
03-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Yes, but it's not as good as from the Visitor Activity.
1) It shows all entries instead of just one for every IP;
2) It doesn't have location information;
3) It doesn't display host information;
4) It doesn't show ISP details.
This is why I'm using Visitor Activity + Visitor Paths.

Also, on a sidenote, host information for the same visitor is sometimes missing from Visitor Activity even though it's on Visitor Paths.

Somebody
03-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Any chance the label could be made to work across all of our projects?

knottford
03-01-2007, 06:37 PM
Thanks for this feature - Eases use tremendously!

bobby131313
03-02-2007, 05:14 AM
Any chance the label could be made to work across all of our projects?

Yes please, I have several sites/projects that visitors are very entwined. I know sounds kinky. :-)

GREAT feature! Thank you!

vijaygupta88
03-02-2007, 08:29 AM
I was thinking of getting this feature from the site when I joined it. Now it has became reality. I need not to make a search for a tool that will tell me the name when I put IP of the visitor.
I have found all the fantastic features in a single site.....

Thank you!!!!!

Keep good Working.:-D :-D

Indichosts.net
03-02-2007, 02:40 PM
Is it possible to make a label applicable across multiple projects ? That would reduce a lot of repetitive labeling, improving maintainability.

Nice feature.

Sarve
03-02-2007, 09:34 PM
Thank you! This will be a big help keeping track of what pages a person keeps coming back to. Now I just need to figure out some kind of code to type in for the keywords the person used and the page they went to each time. My stats are private, but the paranoid side of me doesn't trust that someone won't eventually find a way to see them. Since some of the people coming to my site are coming due to personal problems I don't want to risk a breach in confidentiality.

rosescope
03-03-2007, 05:51 AM
To webmaster of StatCounter
Thanks for you kind words about roses and what is more important – thanks to StatCounter team for the greatest job! You gave me a web tracking tool I could not ever imagine to have!
rosescope

webado
03-03-2007, 07:21 AM
Haha, I usually dont' like those scripts that have things flying all across the screen, but your bee is really cute. :lol:

MindStein
03-03-2007, 08:35 AM
I hardly can wait to see more features like this...

webmaster
03-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Great facility especially for someone like me who's hopeless at remembering numbers. :???:

One small disappointment .... unless I'm doing it wrong it seems we have to label our visitors separately in each of our projects. Any chance the label could be made to work across all of our projects? ;)
Webmaster, we need ability to tage these across all projects in one shot ... what say? (*ducks for cover again*)
Any chance the label could be made to work across all of our projects?
Yes please, I have several sites/projects that visitors are very entwined. I know sounds kinky. :-)
Is it possible to make a label applicable across multiple projects ? That would reduce a lot of repetitive labeling, improving maintainability.

This has now been added!

JWJ
03-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Brilliant !!!! .... it's hard to find a new way if saying "This is a fantastic product, Thank you" because it's all been said so many times before, so I'll just say "Thank you ... Statcounter just gets better and better". ;)

Somebody
03-03-2007, 07:04 PM
This has now been added!
GREAT!!!! :D

bobby131313
03-04-2007, 12:00 AM
Thank you!

JWJ
03-04-2007, 03:43 PM
With regards to the IP Labels being available across all of our projects, it would seem that it isn't working in 'Edit' mode. Any Labels Added and ticked for all projects are indeed propogating correctly. However, any labels opened for 'Edit' contain a blank 'tick' box and do not appear to propogate.

We're never satisfied are we? ;)

Sharron
03-04-2007, 05:44 PM
hmmmmmmmmm, if one had a cvs or spreadsheet list of ip addresses already, is there a way to import it to our accounts instead of typing each entry all over again?

Even if we could copy and paste more then one at a time instead of one at a time?

Does that make sense?

niemand
03-05-2007, 12:11 AM
Unfortunately it broke more than I thought and my Excel formatting is not working anymore:( Please, can we disable it somehow?

webado
03-05-2007, 05:19 AM
What's this got to do with anything you're doing in Excel?

As far as I know the log you donwload hasn't changed. And even if it did, that would be just one extra column.