HTML Validate problem with <noscript> tag

martin_uboo · #1 10-10-2004, 01:52 AM

Hello,

First, let me apologise if this is already answered somewhere in the forum. I searched the forum & could not find this exact problem.

I am in the process of cleaning up one of my sites, one page at a time. In the process I decided it might be nice to validate the html code. I used 4.0 transitional. I fixed all the errors except for one involving the <noscript> tag in the statcounter script. I went back & generated the W3C compliant code & that made no difference, the tag was still there. This is the output from the validator:

Quote:

Line 138, column 18: document type does not allow element "NOSCRIPT" here; missing one of "APPLET", "OBJECT", "MAP", "IFRAME", "BUTTON" start-tag

</script><noscript><center>

The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean that you need a containing element, or possibly that you've forgotten to close a previous element.

One possible cause for this message is that you have attempted to put a block-level element (such as "

" or "<table>") inside an inline element (such as "<a>", "<span>", or "<font>").

Couldn't I just remove the <noscript> tag? It's just around the visible image.

My URL is http://www.whitemud.us/index.htm & my counter code is:

Code:

<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">
<!-- 
var sc_project=359142; 
var sc_partition=1; 
//-->
</script>

<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" src="http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter.js"></script><noscript>[img]http://c2.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=359142&java=0[/img] </noscript>

Any help would be appreciated.

martin

boombatower · #2 10-16-2004, 04:42 AM

I found the problem, you had some

, [b], and <span> tags around the <script> tag. This is not allowed and that is what the problem was. So simply delete those tags, otherwise I have included the code that I found was complient. By the way check out my site at: http://www.boombatower.com

Code:

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<html>
<head>
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var sc_partition=1; 
//-->
</script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript"
 src="http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter.js"></script>
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martin_uboo · #3 10-16-2004, 01:11 PM

Thanks boombatower for your help. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. I had searched for this situation via Google & found similar fixes in posts to other forums & they didn't work either. Those posts mentioned that the error message is a by product of another problem like you described.

I removed the <p align="center"> tag before the script & still got the same error. I tried to copy & paste the code you posted above & validate that code, but, the copying must have changed some of the punctuation & caused a lot more errors, but the noscript error was still there.

Any other ideas?

I looked at your site & it looks remarkably similar to statcounter.....any connection?

webado · #4 10-16-2004, 01:50 PM

I think the problem is because your code contained in <nsocript> & </noscript> tags is broken over several lines, like this:

Code:

<NOSCRIPT>[img]White Mud Blues Band Chronicles Back In the Day_files/counter.gif[/img] </NOSCRIPT>

It really should be all on one line (with no line breaks even if it appears to fold on the screen), like this:

Code:

<NOSCRIPT>[img]White Mud Blues Band Chronicles Back In the Day_files/counter.gif[/img] </NOSCRIPT>

Copy the code into Notepad, make sure there are no line breaks and recopy it and paste it back into the source code of your page, again using Notepad (or the code view of whatever WYSIWYG editor you might be using).

martin_uboo · #5 10-16-2004, 02:12 PM

Thanks chrisooc for your reply. I did have the line break problem when I first started to validate this page, I cleaned them up a while back. When I look at the current source code, I do not see any line breaks. Did you see line breaks?

I researched this problem extensively on the internet prior to my posting here and found a few forums with posts on similar problems. These other problem posts were similar, but not exactly like mine. They all had something to do with formatting tags in &/or around javascripts. I have tried every combination I could think of before I posted here.

To make it even more confusing, I made a test page with nothing but the statcounter script & it validates OK: http://www.whitemud.us/index_test_script.htm (of course, as soon as I try to center the image, it fails with the same error). When I make the script coding/formatting on my real page identical to the test page, it doesn't center or validate.

Any other suggestions?

webado · #6 10-16-2004, 02:33 PM

Yes, stop fretting over that silly W3C validation program, you'll age prematurely

When I saved your page on my pc it had line breaks inside the <noscript>...</noscript> tag. I don't think those appeared out of the blue. Other pages I save from the web preserve the actual code and line breaks (or lack thereof).

But do take out the code from within the scope of any special formatting tags and place it simply at the bottom before </body>. Better yet, generate the code again with the W3C option. Use a
to force it to a new line if you have to. Mind the line breaks. Edit using Notepad with no Word Wrap to make sure.

Once that validates, you experiment with some simple formatting tags. I like to use <center> ... </center> but I fear that's going to send the W3C validator into a spin again (silly buggers

).

martin_uboo · #7 10-16-2004, 02:55 PM

Thanks again for your reply chrisooc.

I looked again at the source code with notepad & there aren't any line breaks in the script/noscript section (except for the ones that statcounter puts in). I did generate new W3C code when I first ran into the validation problem.

The funny thing is, I have never really tried to be W3C valid before because it doesn't like a bunch of attributes FrontPage adds for hovers & image swapping. But this site is like a "Hobby Site" for me & I really don't get serious about anything...if you read anything while you were there, you know what I mean (although statcounter just told me you only looked at the index.htm page). Then I heard that for SEO purposes, the SEs like valid html, so I thought, OK...I'll try it out on White Mud's site. So here I am....I'm one of these people that will not give up something even if it is kinda silly.

Thanks for the input & I'll keep trying things until I find the answer. I know it's something silly.....I hate to give up the statcounter graphic for their great free service, but I think the invisible script I used on other pages validates, I have to check that again.

martin_uboo · #8 10-16-2004, 03:08 PM

Well, FYI. I just generated new W3C compliant code (invisible) & it put at the very bottom of the code without any line breaks, no formating tags & it still won't validate.......this is making me crazy. It has to be some sort of code interaction, since a blank page with only the script & the a little text validates.

I'm going to try to ask support to look at this thread & see if they have any ideas.

Thanks again for all your help....anybody else have a suggestion?

webado · #9 10-16-2004, 03:12 PM

LOL, no, I didn't read anything really except some of the code. Isn't Statcounter terrific? See, you know exactly where I surfed (or not) on your site.

From what I've seen FrontPage is pretty horrible when it comes to whatever html code it generates and even worse if you publish directly to the web from it. I guess most WYSIWYG editors have the potential to mess up the code unless you constantly verify things in code view mode. I use Dreamweaver (because it numbers the lines of code for me

) and actually work in the code view half of the page and only look at the design view just to get an idea whereabouts my stuff's ending up. For tricky things I use Notepad.

I also do this just as a hobby, so I'm not overly stressed by W3C compliance or lack thereof, SEO & PR be damned

I've not bothered to render my stuff W3C compliant after finding out it complains about even a practically blank page with a dot in the middle

It seems to want a lengthy css even for that! I know I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean.

boombatower · #10 10-16-2004, 03:13 PM

I said not to just take out the <p align="center"> but the rest of the tags surrounding the <script> and <nonscript> tags. When I tested it through W3C varification it worked so I know my code is perfectly fine.

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