Statcounter in email footer and other ideas

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I'm actually using statcounter invisible html only code in my email footers - both yahoo and outlook. This allows me to see when someone opens my email (I think) but never has a referrer (html only).

I wonder if I used the regular javascript statcounter code if my emails would end up in people's spam buckets instead? Any thoughts on that?

I am using it (regular javascript code project) here too to see if google or other bots are indexing my forum. I think that should work, right?
www .grand-rapids-michigan-web-design.info /?statcounter
or maybe like this:
Grand-Rapids-Michigan-Mi.-Web-Site-Designers

Note that on my links I am putting a non-existing /?blahblah landing page. The website seems to ignore it without throwing up an error, but it is a quick way to see how someone comes to my site even if there is no referrer. This should work without causing problems, right? I think the search engines ignore stuff after the /?.
 
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Just for the record, re: using Statcounter in email. That is not allowed. The javascript counter will also give alerts in the recivers mailbox.

Using StatCounter in emails is NOT allowed - the T&Cs state that the use of StatCounter in SPAM is not permitted... but that IS usually the only reason why anyone wants to track an email - because it IS spam.
The T&Cs will shortly be updated and it will be made sure that the use of StatCounter in email is NOT permitted, just in case anybody will think they are not spamming.

Tracking emails is just frowned upon and using StatCounter in emails will get Statcounter blacklisted - any accounts using StatCounter or attempting to use StatCounter to track emails will be disabled. Statcounter provide website tracking services - not email.
 
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JWJ, the links that you edited were left in there by Arne, I did not add them back in. I think they are actually relevant.

Arne, I see where you are coming from on that. Not trying to break any rules, I have included statcounter in sites of 25 or 35 of our clients and am a solid supporter. I will go ahead and remove the html tracking code from my email's footers. However, it is hard to imagine that the html only code would cause any problems with email systems, it is just like 1000 other simple html codes people put in emails all the time. And I suspect that my 10-20 emails a day will not be breaking the bank. But just for the record, I like statcounter, depend on it, and am happy to follow the rules.

But just to make it clear, don't assume that when a statcounter or forum user does something bad that they are trying to break the rules or trick the system. Sometimes we just don't know something is a problem until we are told.
 
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Hugh, the reason why using Statcounter in an email will cause problems which may lead to Statcounter being blacklisted is that in such a case it's an obvious third party image, whose only purpose is tracking. Already most email clients have options to disable images in emails - for good reason. If the image is hotlinked to a website it can be used for tracking purposes - whether it's Statcounter or any other site.

Once email recipients see warnings about images haveing been disabled they will feel jittery about the source of the email and might feel worst about the tracking mechanism being used.

A proper html email which contains images will have the images physically attached to the email and not hotlinked to the website. Or at least I think that's how it should be done.
 
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I do understand this theory. I am a former IT Manager and analyst myself and have dealt with these issues many times.

However there are a lot of email footers where if you want an image it must be hotlinked offsite and not included in the email itself. Yahoo email is a great example. And yes, some users who have "display remote images" turned off by default will get a warning. However I can tell you that they see this warning a dozen times a day, so many emails include remote images. I tell my users to set their clients to display the images. Yahoo mail will display the images unless they sort the email into the spam folder, those are not displayed.

Here is my (recreated - I took the statcounter code out) yahoo email signature. It has a logo image in addition to the statcounter image:

<DIV align=left><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><FONT color=#00007f><I>Hugh A. Kallen</I><BR>Business &amp; Communications Manager<BR>Kallen Web Design</FONT> <BR><BR>
<CENTER><A href="http://www.kallenweb.com/?yahoomail" target=_blank><IMG alt="Kallen Web Design - Get More Contacts and More Business as Customers Find You On the Internet!" src="http://www.kallenweb.com/images/kwd_email.gif" border=0></A> <BR><A href="http://www.kallenweb.com/?yahoomail" target=_blank>www.KallenWeb.com</A><BR>Click to Call for a Free Consultation: <A href="http://www.jajah.com/AuctionHugh">(269) 372-7627</A> <a href="http://www.statcounter.com/free_invisible_web_tracker.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://c12.statcounter.com/1397508/0/0cb56994/1/" alt="hit tracker" border="0"></a>
<DIV></DIV></CENTER></DIV></FONT>
You can see it has another remote image in addition to the statcounter image. I've attached an html file of just the signature to this message so you can see what it would look like at the end of my email. (attached a .zip file of it, .html attachments not allowed in this forum). You can see it is not alarming.

The tracking cookie was helpful just yesterday because I went to statcounter and could see by the resolved IP that one of our clients had been reading an email from me. This was good news since she is very busy and we have a 9am meeting today that I was hoping she was preparing for. Not a ton of information but a legit use of statcounter in legit email, not too different from getting a "read receipt".

Intelligent conversation about this issue is appreciated.
 

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Tracking emails is frowned upon?

Receipts for acceptance and opening of emails is common in the business world. It seems a trite and minimalist step to frown on tracking someone's email when the entire purpose of the Statcounter project is to track every step and behaviour of a visitor to a website, masking that tracking in common web functionality.
An email you send someone has all sorts of information identifying you, making it a trivial task for the IT professional to know much about you.

I recommend anyone whose moral stance finds putting statcounter in emails repulsive post a note on their statcounter-tracked web pages: "We are tracking your progress through this site."

As to proper emails have images attached, rather than embedded... in a perfect world, maybe. Frankly, having to download and open an attachment, rather than simply look at an email within the body, is a pain.

Anti-virus and -malware is so ubiquitous none of this paranoia is really any use.

Innovative use of the system, OP, well done.
 
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I disagree. Statcounter only makes sense of and presents the information already available and logged by the server and available through basic server-side scripting to the website.

A read receipt for an email will only get sent if the recipient wants to send it.

You dont have to download an attachement fro images embedded in the html email. They are aprt and parcel of it. But they reside inside the email message rather than being hotlinked to a particular website.

Whether you see the images in the body of the email or as atatchments depends on your email client settings.
 
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I think the whole discussion is rather academic.
You don't need to have statcounter code in an email to have the reading of the said email appear in statcounter stat's.
I use an auto responder email with a link to the site and when the recipient opens the email it appears as shown in this pic :-

http://www.keng.id.au/statcounter_log_email.html

P.S. I had to put the pic on a page :wink:
 
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I'm not clear on this. Unless they click on your site link the hit does not show up, does it?

I think the whole discussion is rather academic.
You don't need to have statcounter code in an email to have the reading of the said email appear in statcounter stat's.
I use an auto responder email with a link to the site and when the recipient opens the email it appears as shown in this pic :-

http://www.keng.id.au/statcounter_log_email.html

P.S. I had to put the pic on a page :wink:
 
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I actually picked a bad example from stat's .......
The link in this case is to the company logo in the sites' images folder, sorry I should have been more specific :oops:
 
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Sorry about that, just fell off the edge of the world, ( 'puter had a fit ).

Ok, I used a frames page as an auto email responder, the frame linked to a page which constituted the heading for the email and this page has the statcounter code in it so when the email is opened hey presto it gets logged.:grin:
 
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I actually picked a bad example from stat's .......
The link in this case is to the company logo in the sites' images folder, sorry I should have been more specific :oops:
I apologize but I still don't understand.

If you have an image in your email that is hosted by a page on your site, and the page has statcounter on it, I don't think that would be recorded by statcounter.
 
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He means the html email is a frameset (or has an iframe tag) and in it is shown a page that is actually on his website. That page has the tracker on it.

I didn't think html email could contain frames or iframes.
 
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It is a parody, which I believe is allowable. However lets not turn this thread into a legal discussion about this though, I've had it with others in the past already, and there seem to be tons of opinions on both sides.

According to my statcounter log, folks from the Krispy Kreme corporation have clicked through to our website from this signature graphic (which I rotate out with many others) and I have never heard any concerns.

However I assure you should their lawyers ever ask me to cease and desist, I most certainly will!
 
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