Which makes you a happier camper?

Which do you relate best with:


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#5
I know. I get frustrated sometimes with the SC timing out and not letting the dissertation get posted. That's usually what happens to me. :)
This used to happen to me all the time when I was making longer posts. I got into the habit of copying the message before clicking on submit. At least that way I could just paste it back into the textbox and resubmit if I had been logged out.
 
#6
I didn't cast a vote here, because all this poll lists are the two extremes. If taken to its logical conclusion Option A leads to anarchy and a dog-eat-dog world. On the other hand, Option B leads to pure communism where everyone is a slave to the greater society. Thankfully, most of humanity has rejected both extremes. No country subscribes to option A and even Communist China has moved away from a full acceptance of option B.

I'm guessing here, but what I think these two options are meant to represent are pure Capitalism and pure Communism. Neither is workable in a real world situation.

Later correction: I was wrong when I said no country subscribes to option A. Somalia is a perfect example of a country where this rule applies.
 
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#7
Dagnabbit you nailed it. Again...?

The second quote is a Karl Marx quote. The first quote I have no idea where it came from but have heard it all my life when people want to ignore something someone else is doing.

I personally think I display a little bit of both of these world views. More of a capitalist than a moderate socialist but "to each his own". :)

I would love to stay and chat awhile but I need to get to the J.O.B. to pay my tax so I can contribute "to each according to his need."
 
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#8
In their simplest of forms, neither are bad ideas. But as history has proved, humans have an affinity for pushing things to extremes, taking advantage of situations or making mountains out of mole hills.

How is that for an abbreviated dissertation.:)
 
#9
I'd like to say I have what I need class, but that's not entirely true. I'd like to belong to the I have what I want class.

I guess I really belong in the I have what I need at this moment, this minute, this second. But good gosh don't let anything happen to change that!

So where does that leave me in the poll. Which by the way I tried to vote earlier, but boy oh boy it bothered my computer!
 
#12
SLP Socialist Labor Party of America

I just pulled out an old lp 1960 SLP of America National Convention. They have an slp .org up now. They speak about a classless society - dream on..., and about production for use - not sale or profit.

I find it hard to wrap my brain cells around that. How would anyone be paid? I suppose pay is not part of the system. You wake up - go to your production facility - work your shift and then go to your home...with no bills to worry about.

How is this system panning out in nations currently doing it? Anybody know? I imagine it is a failure. I look at places like Russia and China and still see lots of class divisions.

I suspect this is the direction our next president wants to take the US. You hear a lot in the media about corporate unfairness...CEO's earn in 10 minutes what one of their laborers earns in a year. The media is accentuating the class struggle.

You hear how Hillary Care wants to provide us with a gov run medical system. How she wants those corporate profits to do this, that, and the other. This is the same as SLP. I wonder if any of her campaign contributions come from the SLP? At the same time the Clinton's will bank a few million in profits lifting them to an even higher class than those who elect her. No worry. Hillary will take care of you. :)

Here's my beef - what's wrong with using a pay system? I get it... the person paid $7-10 an hour to hand out big macs wants to be paid the same as the person cleaning poop out of septic tanks. Septic tank pumpers make between $15-30 dollars an hour and more if you own the business. I don't think a big mac handler is worth that much at all. Try to find someone to pump crapola for $6-10 an hour in the US or Canada.

So placing these 2 on a level playing field wrt earnings is laughable. There are even better contrasts and comparisons I'm sure you will find. But then just maybe I am not seeing what more there is to the Marxist bigger picture. Can someone help me see the light?
 
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#13
Haha! That's why it was called Utopia - sounded good in principle but failed in practice.

Society would never advance an iota if the smart and hard working people didn't get rewarded for that with more money, or goods or privileges which means they will not longer be treated equally to others, they will be treated according to what they deserve.


Right about now I feel I should be richer, work less and have more leisure time than what I have. The trouble is my bosses don't feel the same way ;)
 
#14
I'm guessing here, but what I think these two options are meant to represent are pure Capitalism and pure Communism. Neither is workable in a real world situation.
Living in one of the few remaining "communist" countries, I can resolutely say that "pure communism" doesn't exist and never has, apart from in the theory books - a bit like Christianiy, Islam etc. Totalitarianism is what exists and that doesn't include option B in any shape or form, and never has.
 
#15
So in this Great Experiment we call constitutional government, is it possible for pure capitalism and pure socialism to meet halfway and make something beautifully new? I don't know. I look around this nation and at my own life experience and others and think I see this is what we have been struggling with for a long time.

Pure Capitalism = dog eat dog
Pure Socialism = love thy neighbor
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Blended would it be SocCapism = dog love eat neighbor? :confused:
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#17
Now that you have an abundant supply of snow, and the demand for snow is reversed evidenced by your neighbors actions, it is worthless to you. But pack some of that snow away somewhere, and when your neighbor is done giving you his and finds he could really use some snow, like on one hot sticking humid summer day, be a good capitalist - sell him some of that snow he freely relinquished up to your ownership. Only at a wholesale rate though. :lol:
 
#18
I could do a brisk business seeling snow futures right now ;)


And this snow has great staying power - I firmly believe we'll still have plenty come June :lol:
 
#19
considering all the hubbub from regions short on water resources, this could be a valid business and no joke.

If a guy or gal owned a refridgerated tanker truck, they could haul snow out of one region and deliver it to another that needs it.
 
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considering all the hubbub from regions short on water resources, this could be a valid business and no joke.

If a guy or gal owned a refridgerated tanker truck, they could haul snow out of one region and deliver it to another that needs it.
I take PayPal ;)

Best clean snow on my balcony this morning - get it while it's fresh ;)
 
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